Doctor Who?...

Awww how sad. I really enjoyed her appearances on the show (and her own show, or what i've seen of it) and that little extra connection to the past she brought to it.

Totally gutted, She was an amazing actress, she will be truly missed.

in germany only few parts of the doc comes out.

some in the late 80's or 90's and on 2008 2 seesons that all. very bad that in germany the doc is far away with his tardis

How are you all finding the series so far then?

I think the first two were some of the strongest episodes since the reboot - the second episode in particular had a great mix of drama, comedy and horror. Everything in the orphanage was sheer brilliance, especially Amy seeing herself reflected in the glass. I was totally on the edge of my seat!

The pirates episode was OK but nothing special - riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies, and do we really need another 'Rory dies then comes back' bit?

Now... what do we make of eyepatch woman? :blink:

I'm liking it. :)

It does feel a bit "up itself" sometimes and like it's trying too hard... the "Bad Wolf" stuff from a while back was at least noticeable, but they just did exactly the same thing on a smaller scale with "Silence" - not quite as epic and just a bit pointless!

You can't really complain about plot holes in Dr. Who... it's been riddled with holes for at least the last 4 seasons! I can think of about 20 for the last 3 episodes! :laugh:

It's got some good ideas tho. I like the new doc (needs his Fez back), I like the "living lives back to front" thing, and the last (pirate) episode was "Classic Who" (to quote my ex).

There's rumour this might be the first series ever made without Daleks.. not sure how I feel about that :(

I'm guessing Eyepatch woman is a midwife that delivered/delivers Amy's (half-timelord?) daughter. That'll obviously be the thread holding the series together - will be interesting to see how it ends up!

I'm liking it so far. The plot holes are a fixture of Doctor Who, as with any long running time travel series, but they do seem to be getting more frequent and obvious as the writers try to make the series more complicated and riddled with cryptic clues. For example the River Song, back to front, storyline is not making much sense, how come she didn't realise that the when she met the doctor for his first time, in the library, that she was about to die? I also don't like that they seem to have ruled out future Doctors and removed some of the "anything can happen" feeling by showing us how the Doctor dies. I hope it's all a trick.

I much prefer the earlier series where the clues and series story arc was subtle enough for you not to notice until the big reveal at the end. I loved the "how did I miss that" feeling. This time round there is so much emphasis on the big mystery, and they put a neon sign round all the clues to whip the fanbase into a frenzy of speculation, that I'm getting a bit annoyed by it. It the big reveal can only be a let down now, lol.

I agree I prefer sublety. I feel I should be sitting with a pen and paper making copious notes each Saturday evening for fear I miss something that will come back to bite me in the arse later on. I enjoy good old fashioned story telling.

Totally agree.

Not that I like fixing other people's plot holes... but here goes! :cheer: :

- River knew that was the last time she'd see the Doctor before she died, but it didn't necessarily mean she was going to die that day (though we all know today is a good day to die).

- Doc spent 100 years in that body then was shot by a spaceman.... I don't like this either but presumably that was one possible future and, paradoxes aside, they can now change the course of future history to stop it happening. (They've done far worse on the show before!)

But yeah, lots of annoyances... the whole Rory-remembering-2000-years-living-as-Android-Rory-even-though-he-never-met-him thing is pretty damn annoying too, unless I'm missing something?!

also if you see it was 100 years later but the fbi agent isnt even in his 80's yet he was in his 30's (love the point of him being gay and with a black man) which was unheard of in those days.

Also rory was the robot and the memories are with him as he came back in time after the whole event but was stuck with the cube all that time as a roman soldier.

I think river only realised that this was the last time she would remember the doc as it was the first kiss for him but the last kiss for her as both are coming from diffrent time ends. its the begining and the end.

More importantly who is the little girl and what happend to the doctors clone daughter from many moons ago from the planet??????

But the robot Rory timeline was reset I thought and the Doctor popped back to Amy and real Rory getting married. If he's still robot Rory, why can't he pop out the plastic man hand gun thing he had before when it would be helpful? >.>

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Woo! 300th post! :3

lol @ the "other" :P Angel... yep, that hand-gun would be most useful!

I'm pretty sure he's not robo-Rory, since the Doctor ended up crashing Amy & Rory's wedding day (the whole "something old, new, borrowed and blue" silliness)... even though the Doc was dead... or didn't exist... or some such... ok, best not to think about Dr Who too much - just try to enjoy it!!

I liked the Something Old New Borrowed Blue sillyness!:huh: That bit was actually pretty clever. As for the holes in the series, think of them more as paradoxes. As for the Doc only being a hundred years older and the FBI guy only 50 is because the Doctor did not live out those 100 years in 20th century America, he's a time traveler so he'd been off adventuring without Amy, Rory, and River for a century and then came back to that particular place and time. As for his death by the spaceman; He's cheated death before (remember last season's finale we he fell down the museum stairs and died?) and he came back because through one of those paradoxes he was able to actually avoid that fate. This is what will probably happen this season as well and the Doctor set it up by sending out the invitations to his companions. So far I'm liking the season a lot.

I'm really digging the new season too.



Haven't gotten beyond the Pirate episode yet. I have to drag MikeyNY along somtimes when we DVR a series. We wind up falling a few weeks behind.

I've also been wondering when and if they will ever wind up revisiting the Doctor's Daughter from a few seasons back.

t5echnicaly it wasnt it daughter but a clone of his dna. and she launched into outerspace so we never know.

Semantics. ;-)

The way they ended the episode (similar to how they left the Pirate episode) you could almost see "new Dr. Who spinoff series idea" or "sequel episodes" flashing in the writer's head. I would still like to see his "daughter" again sometime.

Then again, I'd really love to see some episodes involving Tennant era characters again, particularly Capt. Jack Harkness and Dr. Martha Jones.

Mark, I guess you'll get to see the lovely Mr Barrowman again in the new Torchwood...

The other day I was wondering about multiple-doctor episodes... you remember the old ones where Tom Baker et al would appear on-screen at the same time? They could easily do a similar one now with Smith, Tennant and Eccleston - that'd be great fun! He is a time traveller, after all... :)

well the little girl isnt his daughter as far as we know. I think the baby was taken from the young lady and living ion the tardis all that time and concieved on the tardis iot has beome a second generation doctor type. we will have to wait and see. as for the clone (who isnt realy a daugghter since its a clone) it was hinted they may bring her into it later and now sadly due to sarah jane gone they may even end up doing a spin off of the clone one. who knows.

Yeah I'm leaning in the direction that the little girl is the baby that Amy supposedly had, but now doesn't. Plus we keep seeing the "positive/negative" reading being repeated in each of the last two episodes. So when we saw the girl regenerate at the end of the second episode, I turned to Mikey and said, "Is that what a time head looks like?" :)

And yes Angel... I can't wait for Torchwood. I have a tiny little fear that they'll gloss over Harkness' libertarian attitude towards sex for the American audience, but I can only wait another month and see.

Weird.. Starz was the last place I would have...

OK, no, the "Sportsman" channel would be the last place I would have expected it. That or a Nascar channel... Or maybe BET or Telemundo...

So yeah... Starz makes more sense, now. :3


Maybe the whole positive/negative thing means that she's both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time. As if the baby is not in the primary timestream, or something? Or maybe phasing in and out? Or sommat?

I'm guessing that the explaination for Amy's positive/negative pregnancy scan will be quite simple. The future is not written, it is in a "constant state of flux" which was mentioned in the first episode of this series. What if the Doctor's future involves him making a decision to go back and change Amy's past? One choice would mean she is pregnant in the present, and the other choice means she is not. Since he has not yet made that choice yet, her current pregnancy is also in a state of flux.

I'm sure this will tie in with the little girl timelord somehow, maybe she is the child. Whatever is currently happening to Amy, it is important enough for her to be watched by those people who appear in the sliding panels in walls. They only seem to be interested in her.