I read a really good BBC news story that touched on several points including the one we are discussing here.

If anyone is really interested in this topic you should check it out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13318372

I find it really interesting watching the world's reaction to this event as more information surfaces about what and how things happened.

P.S.: Andy, I never said anyone declared war on Pakistan. I said the USA/NATO/UN did not declare war or authorize military action on or in Pakistan. ;)

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Episode 264 - The Next Generation - "Phantasms" - 10/25/1993

Data experiences strange dreams, while the Enterprise has issues with its new Warp-core. But all is not as it seems.

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I think it's great the Bin Laden has finally been dealt with.

But, I a little surprised no one has touched upon another pretty significant issue that arose from this successful raid.

I'm a little concerned that the United States essentially invaded a sovereign nation (Pakistan) to conduct a military operation without that nations consent.

I find that concept a little disturbing.

Granted the operation was probably successful because of it's secrecy... But does that give the USA the right to do this in any country they want without their consent?

http://www.inewsone.com/2011/05/05/if-sovereignty-is-breached-us-ties-will-be-reviewed-kayani/48471

Food for thought...

The idea behind a sneak attack is you tell no one. I guess they know that thee are many leaks in other countries staff so better to take the slamming than not but \i beleive they did know but rather than put pakistan under threat they decided to make a scene of it. They will reduce it down a bit but look at the stats I bet it drops down to what it was a few months ago. Its a ruse to make sure pakistan does get reprisal attacks upon it. If they werre realy pissed they would says hey america get out.

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True enough... But the USA, or NATO, nor the UN declared war on Pakistan. Or did I miss something here?

I know Bin Laden deserved it... But...

If someone in some other part of the world considered George W. Bush a war monger would it be okay for another country to invade the USA in a small military operation to kill him with out the USA's consent?

And with the Hitler example that was mentioned, there was a formal declaration of war before German sovereignty was violated. And your right... that action was certainly was justified.

I think there is a HUGE difference. George W. Bush wasn't the brightest of Presidents and most people knew/agreed with it. But still, he didn't throw airplanes at civilian locations or bombed the underground or Piccadilly Circus. He didn't gas people, or again, killed civilians. I think if someone is such a huge security issue worldwide, then yes, anyone should do whatever they could to put the guy down. No one will feel safe otherwise. If you say "Oh please, I don't care don't come into my country...ask, even if to kill a big threat." Aren't you defending a criminal? Of even a tyrant?

I see what you mean, a leader could be annoyed. But I think I'd be more annoyed with myself for not having caught the guy earlier or with my own troops.

I was checking online to see the war against Pakistan you mentioned but couldn't find anything...do you mean Lybia? Because that's a whole different issue to do with civilians being used as targets by their leader...

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True enough... But the USA, or NATO, nor the UN declared war on Pakistan. Or did I miss something here?

I know Bin Laden deserved it... But...

If someone in some other part of the world considered George W. Bush a war monger would it be okay for another country to invade the USA in a small military operation to kill him with out the USA's consent?

And with the Hitler example that was mentioned, there was a formal declaration of war before German sovereignty was violated. And your right... that action was certainly was justified.

Exactly my point with a bit of irony...

Right or not, I wouldn't endorse any country protecting a terrorist/criminal. Why do we have the UN again?

I didn't read the article, but I'll try and read it once I'm up...but I think as much as the ethical question you brought up, we need to think of how long Bin Laden has been in Pakistan?
Should we just wait for another attack while Pakistan can't do much?

Didn't England and the allies invade Germany to take out Hitler? Again, was that wrong? I know they're not quite the same, but they were both criminals in some way...

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'd hate it if another country came in a killed the international terrorist that I was protecting.

I mean, god, ruuude!

Did you read the article I pointed to....

Pakistan REALLY objected to the invasion of their sovereignty.

And personally.... I wouldn't blame them....


You wouldn't like it if your neighbor tore down an exterior wall of your house (without your permission) because there was a raccoon the neighborhood that was causing trouble.


The principle is the same.

Is it okay to break the law, and break into your neighbors house to kill the neighborhood pest?

I don't know that answer to that.... But, it raises an ethical question...

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Hmmm...he was a terrorist and therefore an enemy of the whole World...I don't think any country would oppose his capture as they'd have more than half the world telling them off...

Sorta like Hitler, but even then he had supporters, Bin Laden was not as lucky.

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And meh...people kinda wonder if her brother is gay, but I don't think they're very good looking. And her dress was nothing compared to Diana's! :P
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