Re: A Rant About Rank
I often think about Admirals as I lather up lol
Captdry
Varel
Captdry
Re: A Rant About Rank
I love it, and the fact you tempted us with a little shower image was just the icing on the cake lol
Varel
Re: A Rant About Rank
Ok, I've actually put some thought into this one and came up with a brilliant solution for reworking the lower levels of the game with your changes in mind.
Since there is a naval history of lt's being in charge of smaller ships, why not rework the entire LT section of leveling to be shuttle/fighter missions? I know at first you might think that's crazy but hear me out.
First off I know the Dev's have mentioned wanting to put in more shuttle missions. Secondly it would allow us to serve on the ship that we eventually need to start commanding. We could get all of our LT rank missions from the current Captain of the ship. As we hit Lt. Commander, that's when (based off the current story line) we could have the Tutorial Level Khitomer Accord mission where we come in to help, and the command crew of our ship is killed/kidnapped. This leads to our Field promotion to Lt. Commander. From that point you could expand on the number of grades/slow down the curve/Add the rank of Commodore. Whatever would be needed to help make the journey to ultimately I'd picture no higher that Rear Admiral.
It's amazing that I do my best thinking when I'm bored out of my mind in the shower.
Since there is a naval history of lt's being in charge of smaller ships, why not rework the entire LT section of leveling to be shuttle/fighter missions? I know at first you might think that's crazy but hear me out.
First off I know the Dev's have mentioned wanting to put in more shuttle missions. Secondly it would allow us to serve on the ship that we eventually need to start commanding. We could get all of our LT rank missions from the current Captain of the ship. As we hit Lt. Commander, that's when (based off the current story line) we could have the Tutorial Level Khitomer Accord mission where we come in to help, and the command crew of our ship is killed/kidnapped. This leads to our Field promotion to Lt. Commander. From that point you could expand on the number of grades/slow down the curve/Add the rank of Commodore. Whatever would be needed to help make the journey to ultimately I'd picture no higher that Rear Admiral.
It's amazing that I do my best thinking when I'm bored out of my mind in the shower.
Nerapane
Re: Brandon Felczer - the first STO superstar?
awesome work Brandon! I can barely keep up to date weapons on my ship. How you do it all I'll never know. :laugh:
CapnBranFlakes
Re: Star Trek: The Journey
:tng:
Episode 278 - The Next Generation - "Journey's End" - 3/28/1994
www.allstepisodes.com/googlevideodatabase.php?n=2720
Wesley considers his future, as the Enterprise is ordered to remove Native American colonists from a planet that is about to fall under Cardassian jurisdiction. Guest star Richard Poe as Gul Evek. Final appearance of Eric Menyuk as The Traveler.
Enjoy!
Captdry
Angel
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
Nice, I might get me a takei mug too!
I do rather like this old vid he did though:
http://humorpix.com/videos/I_love_sweaty_basketball_players
:P
I do rather like this old vid he did though:
http://humorpix.com/videos/I_love_sweaty_basketball_players
:P
Angel
Re: My 1st Mission "Diplomatic Confrontations Part 1"
Great mission, Dionysiius, well done!
There were a few grammar mistakes (your / you're), and I was referred to as "Captain [LastName]" once, but other than that, no problems!
Great story, locations, and the right balance of dialogue to combat. Really enjoyed it, looking forward to part 2. :) x
There were a few grammar mistakes (your / you're), and I was referred to as "Captain [LastName]" once, but other than that, no problems!
Great story, locations, and the right balance of dialogue to combat. Really enjoyed it, looking forward to part 2. :) x
ethanmuldoon
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
Yes, Tennessee is the first state here in the US to work to pass such legislation. The state government is two bodies, like that of the US government. We have the Senate and the House of Representatives. The senate is the one that passed the legislation.
The house removing it, isn't a sign of hope. It was removed to see how it does in the senate. Now that it has passed, the Republican law makers can work the bill towards consideration for next year.
The house removing it, isn't a sign of hope. It was removed to see how it does in the senate. Now that it has passed, the Republican law makers can work the bill towards consideration for next year.
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
Haha, someone used it as their avatar on the forums!
http://forums.startrekonline.com/member.php?u=245204
http://forums.startrekonline.com/member.php?u=245204
CapnBranFlakes
Re: A Rant About Rank
As I was working out today, I spent the time catching up on my STO podcasts (in particular Priority One).
Good choice ;)
Re: A Rant About Rank
I would love to see the ranks system redesigned. There are dozens of problems with it including how quickly we level and what the ranks are. [Not to mention how confusing it can be to spend your skills points.]
When they were designing the game they said countless times "we're going to do something different the with leveling mechanic than what you've seen" which excited a lot of people, but in the end, we got the same leveling mechanic as everywhere else.
I prefer EVE Online's system as opposed to STO's where you generally just have one character that you can do everything with. I've spent three years in EVE with just one character. I think it'd be much more immersive if I just had one character that I spent much longer working my way up to Admiral.
I think reaching the rank of Admiral should be somewhat separate from getting commander or captain, possibly based on meritorious actions instead of just XP.
Of course, to be really cannon appropriate, we'd have to start out serving on a ship, instead of running it and that's something that's just never gonna happen, sadly.
When they were designing the game they said countless times "we're going to do something different the with leveling mechanic than what you've seen" which excited a lot of people, but in the end, we got the same leveling mechanic as everywhere else.
I prefer EVE Online's system as opposed to STO's where you generally just have one character that you can do everything with. I've spent three years in EVE with just one character. I think it'd be much more immersive if I just had one character that I spent much longer working my way up to Admiral.
I think reaching the rank of Admiral should be somewhat separate from getting commander or captain, possibly based on meritorious actions instead of just XP.
Of course, to be really cannon appropriate, we'd have to start out serving on a ship, instead of running it and that's something that's just never gonna happen, sadly.
captainbrenden
Re: A Rant About Rank
Some excellent points, but I'd like to touch on a two of them that I had considered when I was writing my first novella, but got lost in my somewhat wordy flood of thoughts…
First, I had considered the fact that the galaxy is a big place. Where 500 or 1000 admirals would be unheard of here on earth where a single sovereign military may not really exceed more than about 1.4 mil (which was the size of the entire US military in 2010), obviously Starfleet is a significantly larger organization. My only qualm with that is totally in the writing because they never really tell us how big Starfleet is. The Battle of Wolf 359, which destroyed 39 starships and killed around 11,000 people, was a implied to be a massive blow to the make-up of Stafleet. Even two years later during the Klingon Civil War of 2368, Picard has a hell of a time assembling the 23 starships he needs to form his blockade of the Klingon/Romulan boarder. Its not until the Dominion War kicks off that we start to see massive fleets containing hundreds of starships… and even then, who is running those shows? Approximately one admiral per fleet (which is Admiral Ross for most of what we've gotten to see in DS9). But even fleet command occasionally falls to Captains. Picard and Sisko both commanded several fleets and battlegroups throughout their on-screen careers.
[On a side note: It makes me sad that we didn't at least get a "hear through the grape vine" some of Picard and company's exploits during the Dominion War. I mean, its the flagship for crying out loud and Picard is a brilliant commander. Some lip service from the writers might have been nice… but oh well.]
Second. The notion that an admiral can do whatever the F they want would be my second pet peeve. Yes, there is an exceptional amount of authority and autonomy for an admiral. Within the scope of their respective organizations they have the latitude to be choose their own course of action. However, everyone has a boss and Starfleet admirals are no exception. In this case its the Federation Council and the President (very similar to Congress and the President here in the real world) who dictate the scope of the Federation's activities and policies. Starfleet's job is to explore and keep the peace under the rules the the Council has laid down--they are the tool through which policy is executed, not formulated. So the idea of hordes of red-shirts marching to the whims of an admiral simply because he/she is an admiral is… silly. I think it would also be honest to point out that we do see several admirals through the series that do have the mindset that an admiral's power is supreme, but weren't they usually the villains of the respective plots? (i.e. Cartwright and the Khitomer fiasco, Dougherty and the Son'a blunder, Leyton and the coupe…)
Ok… now I think I'm done. Thanks again guys for you input and joining me on this little exploration of thought.
PS. Even the great Kathryn Janeway--valiant steward of USS Voyager, nemesis to the Borg, and aunt to omnipotent beings--ended up with a desk job along with her shiny new boxed in pip.
First, I had considered the fact that the galaxy is a big place. Where 500 or 1000 admirals would be unheard of here on earth where a single sovereign military may not really exceed more than about 1.4 mil (which was the size of the entire US military in 2010), obviously Starfleet is a significantly larger organization. My only qualm with that is totally in the writing because they never really tell us how big Starfleet is. The Battle of Wolf 359, which destroyed 39 starships and killed around 11,000 people, was a implied to be a massive blow to the make-up of Stafleet. Even two years later during the Klingon Civil War of 2368, Picard has a hell of a time assembling the 23 starships he needs to form his blockade of the Klingon/Romulan boarder. Its not until the Dominion War kicks off that we start to see massive fleets containing hundreds of starships… and even then, who is running those shows? Approximately one admiral per fleet (which is Admiral Ross for most of what we've gotten to see in DS9). But even fleet command occasionally falls to Captains. Picard and Sisko both commanded several fleets and battlegroups throughout their on-screen careers.
[On a side note: It makes me sad that we didn't at least get a "hear through the grape vine" some of Picard and company's exploits during the Dominion War. I mean, its the flagship for crying out loud and Picard is a brilliant commander. Some lip service from the writers might have been nice… but oh well.]
Second. The notion that an admiral can do whatever the F they want would be my second pet peeve. Yes, there is an exceptional amount of authority and autonomy for an admiral. Within the scope of their respective organizations they have the latitude to be choose their own course of action. However, everyone has a boss and Starfleet admirals are no exception. In this case its the Federation Council and the President (very similar to Congress and the President here in the real world) who dictate the scope of the Federation's activities and policies. Starfleet's job is to explore and keep the peace under the rules the the Council has laid down--they are the tool through which policy is executed, not formulated. So the idea of hordes of red-shirts marching to the whims of an admiral simply because he/she is an admiral is… silly. I think it would also be honest to point out that we do see several admirals through the series that do have the mindset that an admiral's power is supreme, but weren't they usually the villains of the respective plots? (i.e. Cartwright and the Khitomer fiasco, Dougherty and the Son'a blunder, Leyton and the coupe…)
Ok… now I think I'm done. Thanks again guys for you input and joining me on this little exploration of thought.
PS. Even the great Kathryn Janeway--valiant steward of USS Voyager, nemesis to the Borg, and aunt to omnipotent beings--ended up with a desk job along with her shiny new boxed in pip.
hydraulix
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
is it similar to it being passed my the House of Commons but not the House of Lords, meh I dunno im Takei, it makes my brain hurt lol
It's not really comparable to that. This is the only state to pass such legislation, it's not related to our national government. It only affects schools in Tennessee. Still, it's disheartening that it would pass in any state. I should think their politicians would have better things to worry about than whether their school history books mention the start of the gay rights movement and such.
Captdry
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
is it similar to it being passed my the House of Commons but not the House of Lords, meh I dunno im Takei, it makes my brain hurt lol
Ranir
Ranir
Re: A Rant About Rank
Love the rant. But some of you know me, i love to look at the picture from the outside. And I agree 100%, but I like to point out things from the other side.. :evil:
Yeah I think the ranking system is flawed, and it does restrict a lot of potential level expansion, but I doubt that's a concern for down the line, and if it is, they can always revamp it. As far as nobody being Captains of ships as Lt's etc. That's not entirely true. Depending on the class of ship even in the real US Navy there were LT and LT jg ship captains, these are usually small ships small patrol vessels, WW2 PT boats, etc. So it's not unheard of. And it appears they attempted to keep with that theme with of course tiering the ships as you level.
As far as #'s of Admirals, granted there should never be this # of Admirals in one place other then special Ceremonies/occasions/dire needs. But remember this, we are thinking on a Earth Population scale of people. Even so far as as low as a per Navy basis. In the Star Trek Universe, there are untold umpteen billions upon billions of sentient beings, and so theoretically there would be millions of members of Starfleet. Hence there would be a LOT of admirals. And in the shows, with very few exceptional episodes, they are taking place in 1 small area of space. We'll take DS9, not including off tangent episodes or through the wormhole. Most of the primary action takes place in the areas between Bajor and Cardassia. That's a lot of area to cover in relativistic terms and that's a tiny fraction of space. Also remember Space is 3-D. It's not Pie Shaped, it's Orange Shaped. Use an Onion as Example, cut it into 8 sections, each section is covered by a FA, as example, then each layer of each section is covered by a VA, example. And Space is a LOT bigger then an Onion so it could be cut into 1000, 10000, 100000 sections.. And granted the Federation isn't in/cover the entire "onion" even if you take out those sections, it's a huge galaxy.
Unfortunately due to the tinyness of the current STO areas available. It is ridiculous to see this many Admirals this close together. But if you look at it from a literal #'s point of view. We need more Admirals.. :blink:
And as far as Admiral's not Captaining a ship personally. (I'm an Admiral I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want. :whistle: )
Yeah I think the ranking system is flawed, and it does restrict a lot of potential level expansion, but I doubt that's a concern for down the line, and if it is, they can always revamp it. As far as nobody being Captains of ships as Lt's etc. That's not entirely true. Depending on the class of ship even in the real US Navy there were LT and LT jg ship captains, these are usually small ships small patrol vessels, WW2 PT boats, etc. So it's not unheard of. And it appears they attempted to keep with that theme with of course tiering the ships as you level.
As far as #'s of Admirals, granted there should never be this # of Admirals in one place other then special Ceremonies/occasions/dire needs. But remember this, we are thinking on a Earth Population scale of people. Even so far as as low as a per Navy basis. In the Star Trek Universe, there are untold umpteen billions upon billions of sentient beings, and so theoretically there would be millions of members of Starfleet. Hence there would be a LOT of admirals. And in the shows, with very few exceptional episodes, they are taking place in 1 small area of space. We'll take DS9, not including off tangent episodes or through the wormhole. Most of the primary action takes place in the areas between Bajor and Cardassia. That's a lot of area to cover in relativistic terms and that's a tiny fraction of space. Also remember Space is 3-D. It's not Pie Shaped, it's Orange Shaped. Use an Onion as Example, cut it into 8 sections, each section is covered by a FA, as example, then each layer of each section is covered by a VA, example. And Space is a LOT bigger then an Onion so it could be cut into 1000, 10000, 100000 sections.. And granted the Federation isn't in/cover the entire "onion" even if you take out those sections, it's a huge galaxy.
Unfortunately due to the tinyness of the current STO areas available. It is ridiculous to see this many Admirals this close together. But if you look at it from a literal #'s point of view. We need more Admirals.. :blink:
And as far as Admiral's not Captaining a ship personally. (I'm an Admiral I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want. :whistle: )
alimac30
Re: It's OK to be Takei!
Update from Tennessee...
"Tennessee Senate OKs bill to ban teaching of homosexuality"
It looks to have passed the senate with a 19-11 vote. However the House of Representatives have removed it from consideration...this year. Here is a link to the story from a local news station.
http://www.wmctv.com/story/14684904/senate-oks-bill-to-ban-teaching-of-homosexuality
Yes, sadly, Mr Takei himself just tweeted that it passed 19 votes to 11.
So what does it actually mean that the House of Representatives have removed it from consideration this year? I'm not American, and don't understand how your bills pass into law...
