As the primary Republic Officer, I'd like to say that the "language" used in describing what his happening needs to be handled carefully.

I think some of the more 'experienced' officers, especially those that came from STO, out of habit refer to Soldiers of Stonewall, and what will be the Non-Force Imperial split as "alt" guilds.

I personally do not see it this way. Soldiers of Stonewall is not the "alt" guild. My primary character is a Trooper, as a Trooper, he's got nothing to do with the Jedi. If anything they're a tool (snicker) for the Republic to use to further their goals.

Soldiers of Stonewall and Knights of Stonewall and Lords of Stonewall are all co-equal "guilds."

I know people disagree for a number of reasons, and I can respect that everyone has their own opinion. I for one am excited about this method of 'splitting' the guild over how I've seen others do it in the past.

Why?

Well first off, new members aren't cut off from senior members in anyway. This will go a long way to reducing a view of favoritism or clique behavior. As a new member coming into a guild, I'd much prefer to log in and see a large active community on my roster, consisting of a large variety of levels then log in and see a dozen low-level characters I've been stuck with because I joined the guild 'too late.'

Same goes for alts. As a new player, I may start the game as one character, thinking it will be my primary, request membership into the guild, get 15 levels in, see something really cool in a groupmate's story arc. Wanting to experience it for myself, I roll up a new character, and find I am enjoying the story more, and start playing the 'alt' as a main; saving your original main for when I complete the 'alt's' story.

The final piece for me, is that as a Trooper, my guild title reflects the class I have chosen in some way. When getting in my characters head, I no longer feel like the Jedi's lapdog on loan from the Republic.

That said, if game mechanics are introduced that would turn this set up into a hindrance (because at the moment, mechanics do not), every Officer has said we will revisit this and work out a new solution so Stonewall isn't at a disadvantage.

I've heard two or three people mention Fleet Achievements that would be tied to classes in some way. Would anyone please be kind enough to share a link where BioWare has discussed this. Since it was originally mentioned I have been scouring the internet, in a slight state of panic, for any discussion of Fleet Achievements by anyone but fans migrating from another game, and have failed to do so.

Awesome! This will help out greatly! If you come across any low level sith warrior gear send it my way. (thou I'm not sure what they wear, lol)

Thank you guys for the quick response and detailed information. There's a lot going on right now and unfortunately it's happening when for the first time since Early Access I can't be online every day due to family obligations.

Trust me, I understand the need for sub/alt guilds and cross guild chat. I have had multiple toons in both the Stonewall and Taint guilds on Proudmoore for years.

It might be a good idea to start a new thread with the decisions that have been made to this point and how it's going to work. I made it about half way through this very long thread last night before my eyes started burning and then had to start skimming. After reading through all of the discussion (and I'm glad we have such open discussion here, btw) my impression was that this wasn't a choice we were being given and that I would at some point log in to my Trooper or Smuggler and find them not in KoS anymore. This is the one aspect that really hit me the wrong way.

But this one line makes all the difference in the world:

NicholasJohn16 wrote:

The switch won't be forced or required. We'll simply be asking those willing to switch their non-force characters over to Soldiers of Stonewall.

Everyone appreciates being given a choice. Having the option to switch our characters ourselves after coordinating and communicating with our friends is an excellent idea. Thank you for that. I can move my non force classes to SoS if that will help even things out but thank you for giving me the freedom to choose instead of forcibly removing them.

Thank you for all your hard work keeping things under control through this hyper-accelerated growth. We all appreciate it. Excellent job!

EDIT: I don't know who picked it out but I really like the name Solders of Stonewall. B)
although, now I've got that ABBA song stuck in my head...

I'm on Zavian (Empire) now. ;)

I may not agree with the officers choice or think it's a good thought out plan but as a captain I'll support it. With that said my humble opinion is.....

Sorry I have to agree with others, not a good move to split the classes.

I know we are not "other" guilds but other guilds do exactly what has been mentioned...start a new guild and invite new members and alts to that one.

No one feels alienated or segregated or like they are not part of KoS when invited to the newly created over flow guild. And guess what...so folks missed out on joining KoS at the go live it happens as guilds grow.

Creating a new sub guild is the way to go and those joining never feel left out since everyone understands the cap limits on guilds.

We all stay connected via the stonewall channel (that is if folks will join it) so no one should feel like they are not part of the guild.

Woot Ghideon! This is Querelle, Theodin Republic side! Let me check the name of my sith warrior and I'll msg ya in game.

Love the idea and sorry I'm not doing more. I want things to settle down before I really jump in and make a splash.

Times on: I'm East Coast so look for me around 5:30pm - 10pmEST M-F. All different times on the weekends

Days: umm...probably to many...7 days a week :woohoo:

Faction: Republic for now. (not sure where my empire toons will eventually land)

FYI to everyone. I tend to get into the npc's dialog so I'll probably miss tells in the guild chat or private tells. Please don't get upset, I'm not ignoring you just send me another msg and ask me to wake up. :)

Of course! Hit me up on Ghideon (Republic) or Zavian (Empire). I'll be on for a few hours this morning playing Ghideon.

I would like to get a few extra credits on my newly started sith warrior. Thou he's still at the starting planet. Not looking to trade to much maybe around 5k or so. Let me know if your interested?

I've been looking to start my Jedi Sage on the Republic side. I have a Lv 32 Sorcerer on the Empire side.

If anyone would like to trade Empire credits for Republic credits, let me know! I'd really like to have more extra cash on my Sage. ;)

Why just keep it to Captains? This is a great idea and a way for members to find out which officers and Captains are normally on when they play. However, officers and captains don't have to post here if they have no regular play times.

Please understand that we all play at different times from what we post here from week to week. This is not a list of when we will be on, more of a guide to when we are most likely to be on.

Times & Days: 6pm - 12pm GMT (Mon - Fri) and 3pm - 12pm GMT (Weekends)

Factions: I play equally on both sides, so if you don't see me I'm probably on the other side, lol.

Techjo,

I'm sorry that you feel "alienated and segregated" from the friends you've made but I think that's more of a outlook problem and not actually to do with how we are settings things up.

We aren't breaking the community into two, it remains one whole guild and friendships made can still be nurtured the exact same way as before. Nothing is stopping anybody from playing with anybody they want to play with.

It sucks that you won't be able to see Member Notes, It sucks that you won't be able to look down a list and see who is online (Your friends list is handy for friends, btw) but these are small problems in an MMO environment. MMO's have been around a long time and member notes to identify who people are just didn't exist and yet people still managed to make friends and know who their alts are. You'll do it without effort, you get used to peoples names and how they talk.

As for this "Not being what you signed up for", I'm sorry if you feel that way but I full hearty disagree. You and the rest of our membership signed up so you can play their favourite MMO with a fantastic group of people. You can play without fear of harrasement, with as much openness as you want to have, in a complete casual no-pressure environment.

We deliver this to the best of our ability and will continue to do that until the end of days. Nothing has changed in this regard with the alt guilds.

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Why are we not just creating a sub guild and adding new members there? Also we can give current members of KoS the option of moving to the new guild but splitting the current KoS guild by Class is something that really concerns me. That's not what I signed up for.

I did a lot of research and reading on these forums weeks before the game was released to decide which guild to join. I joined here and I've been very happy so far and have enjoyed getting to know several new friends. Now I can't be in KoS because I'm a trooper?? Honestly, this makes me feel very alienated and segregated from the guildies that I've been playing with and getting to know over the last month.

If I'm in a different guild from my friend that is playing another class I can't look in the guild roster and see if they are on-line or look at the in game notes to remind me of their forum name. With so many new people in a new game this is the only way currently we have in game to keep track of who we're talking too, especially with everyone having multiple alts.

At least let the people that are already in KoS stay there and just start filling up the new guild. It makes more sense all around and it's less work for the officers.

Maybe I'm just tired and this is catching me totally off-guard but splitting current guild members in two makes no sense to me. In fact, it bothers me a lot.

BTW, if there is anything I can do to help in any way I will.

If we were to do as you suggest and just create a new guild and start inviting new characters into it instead, would you not run into the same problems later (not being able to view the guild roster, see who's online and their in-game notes) when you create a new alt and have to be invited into the alt guild?

If we were to simply stop inviting new characters into Knights of Stonewall and only invite new characters into the new guild, wouldn't that mean new players just joining us aren't able to be in Knights of Stonewall just because they didn't join in the first month? Is that a better solution? If so, for you or the new members?

We won't be segregated. We still have Stonewall channel to talk between one another, organize groups and chat with our friends. For a guild as large as ours, we don't view the actual ingame guild as what we are. We span many different in-game guilds, factions and even games. Instead, we see the guild as the organization that binds us, in and out of the game, that we all are part of. Don't let the title above your character fool you, you're still a large part of Knights of Stonewall.

The switch won't be forced or required. We'll simply be asking those willing to switch their non-force characters over to Soldiers of Stonewall.

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I have family in town from out of state for my Mom's 75th birthday this weekend so I'm playing catch up here.

Why are we not just creating a sub guild and adding new members there? Also we can give current members of KoS the option of moving to the new guild but splitting the current KoS guild by Class is something that really concerns me. That's not what I signed up for.

I did a lot of research and reading on these forums weeks before the game was released to decide which guild to join. I joined here and I've been very happy so far and have enjoyed getting to know several new friends. Now I can't be in KoS because I'm a trooper?? Honestly, this makes me feel very alienated and segregated from the guildies that I've been playing with and getting to know over the last month.

If I'm in a different guild from my friend that is playing another class I can't look in the guild roster and see if they are on-line or look at the in game notes to remind me of their forum name. With so many new people in a new game this is the only way currently we have in game to keep track of who we're talking too, especially with everyone having multiple alts.

At least let the people that are already in KoS stay there and just start filling up the new guild. It makes more sense all around and it's less work for the officers.

Maybe I'm just tired and this is catching me totally off-guard but splitting current guild members in two makes no sense to me. In fact, it bothers me a lot.

BTW, if there is anything I can do to help in any way I will.

This solution was made because even as we speak we literally have 19 spots open till we hit cap. With the game limitations in UI it makes a lot of things difficult. Like knowing who is active vs who isn't.

The big issue with new members going into another guild is the sense they are in an inactive guild or being secluded. This way you would hopefully have a good amount of people split between them at least at peak times. With putting alts in another guild it becomes a switching of whats a main what is an alt. Trying to pick a main (which someone like me and I know of a few others are leveling 6 characters almost side by side due to being invested in the story line) can be tough.

As far as helping they are currently recruiting for officers and Captains so I would suggest checking those threads out if you want the responsibility. Other than that the UI and Guild System really need some TLC and till they get some really no choice is going to be a clear correct one without some down falls equally to it.

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I haven't been asked to do this nor is this anything official so it is completely voluntary. I thought it might be helpful to the officers if we responded to this with our typical times we play the game. This isn't a set in stone schedule of when you will be on but may help the officers in actively seeking Captains to fill in obvious gaps where there is no one on to help. So what I'd like is the following...

Times:

Days:

Faction:


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My times typically vary (I have sleep issues) but majority of the time it is...

Everyday, 5pm-9am CST, Love toons on both factions equally so I swap throughout the night lol.

I have family in town from out of state for my Mom's 75th birthday this weekend so I'm playing catch up here.

Why are we not just creating a sub guild and adding new members there? Also we can give current members of KoS the option of moving to the new guild but splitting the current KoS guild by Class is something that really concerns me. That's not what I signed up for.

I did a lot of research and reading on these forums weeks before the game was released to decide which guild to join. I joined here and I've been very happy so far and have enjoyed getting to know several new friends. Now I can't be in KoS because I'm a trooper?? Honestly, this makes me feel very alienated and segregated from the guildies that I've been playing with and getting to know over the last month.

If I'm in a different guild from my friend that is playing another class I can't look in the guild roster and see if they are on-line or look at the in game notes to remind me of their forum name. With so many new people in a new game this is the only way currently we have in game to keep track of who we're talking too, especially with everyone having multiple alts.

At least let the people that are already in KoS stay there and just start filling up the new guild. It makes more sense all around and it's less work for the officers.

Maybe I'm just tired and this is catching me totally off-guard but splitting current guild members in two makes no sense to me. In fact, it bothers me a lot.

BTW, if there is anything I can do to help in any way I will.

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Just to point something out quickly, I noticed that there is no way to know when was the last time a character was logged on.
It's probably going to be a small nightmare when the time comes to start pruning the guild roster for inactives.

Anyway, I hope you guys have started thinking of a name for the Imp side...I heard there was a backup guild named Masters of Stonewall, perhaps we poor little imps could get it for our BHs and IAs :P

See and here I was thinking Legion of Stonewall hehe.

Oooh. I likey. But that's just me. Seems fitting!

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Just to point something out quickly, I noticed that there is no way to know when was the last time a character was logged on.
It's probably going to be a small nightmare when the time comes to start pruning the guild roster for inactives.

Anyway, I hope you guys have started thinking of a name for the Imp side...I heard there was a backup guild named Masters of Stonewall, perhaps we poor little imps could get it for our BHs and IAs :P

See and here I was thinking Legion of Stonewall hehe.

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